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Andrea Pannes's avatar

It was so blatantly apparent that Khelif was a man. The female boxers should sue the Olympic committee that allowed this to happen. This has to end, and maybe a lawsuit will make people think twice before trying to lie and endanger women. A man beating up a woman used to be called abuse!!!!!!

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P. Morse's avatar

It's easy in hindsight to blame the IOC, but as I recall at the time he was overwhelmly supported by women, despite what our eyes were seeing. The IOC no doubt felt the pressure.

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Andrea Pannes's avatar

That's the problem. Women are being gaslit into accepting this barbarity. And for you to say that the IOC felt pressure from WOMEN is a ludicrous statement. Women have been coerced into this madness. Your statement blames women. Grrrrr.

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Sally J's avatar
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Actually, women are a big part of the gender ideology problem. If lesbians would step up and stop repeating the nonsense that transgender people are "part of our community," perhaps straight women would stop supporting this abuse as well. When I show my friends, colleagues and even strangers pictures of angry, misogynistic AGP men or actual rape cases committed by male convicted rapists and murderers that Democrats have put into female prisons, sometimes it jolts them back to reality.

Most lesbians have always understood that a percentage of men are dangerous because those of us who are gender nonconforming are hated and abused. But if they're deep in the left wing media bubble, they're unreachable. They stick their fingers in their ears when you try to talk to them about what's actually happening. Same problem with parents who've transed their kids. They will never admit they foolishly sterilized and shortened the lives of their own children.

In my experience, men are more willing to acknowledge reality while women are often more concerned about what other people think of them, hence their knee-jerk support of trans ideology.

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Mystic William's avatar

More women support this than do men. I personally know no men who believe this nonsense. But I know plenty of women.

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Alex K.'s avatar

I agree with you but I do know men who support this. I've also seen too many self-righteous wokebros online screeching and mansplaining at women who object.

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Sandy's avatar

Tim Waltz. Nuff said

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P. Morse's avatar

It was women Andrea. Everyone knows this. I used to very vocal about men in women's sports, as a lifelong athlete myself. Time and time again it was women who lectured how wrong, stupid, and insensitive I was. It's ironic their tine was not much different than yours.

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Andrea Pannes's avatar

I’m not the enemy here, don't twist my response to sound like the women who called you “wrong, stupid, and insensitive.” That’s unfair and off-base. I’ve personally never had a woman tell me a man can be a woman. That has been my experience, and I’m just as fed up with the gaslighting that shuts down honest discussion. My tone isn’t the issue—my point is that women are being pressured to accept nonsense, and we need to call it out, not attack each other. If women don’t stand together against this long game to undermine our rights, who will? Let’s focus on exposing the real agenda, not mislabeling allies.

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Mystic William's avatar

I am the opposite. It has only been women saying this to me. The poll numbers are pretty clear - far more women are woke than men. And woke means ‘believe all trans’.

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Steve's avatar

For what it’s worth, it’s been equal from what I’ve seen. Men on the left are far more likely to support this ideology than men in general, and they LOVE to condescend about it on Twitter (or at least they used to), BlueSky, and Reddit especially. They’re on here, too. But yes, this ideology is mostly supported by women. That’s just statistically speaking—polling shows this reliably.

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Lola Coco Petrovski's avatar

Speak for yourself. I didn't blame them in hindsight, and neither did those that called it at the time! I blamed them immediately for doing away with the cheek swabs in the first place.

By the way, blame women for everything while you're at it... we're well and truly used to it. One more P. Morse in the pile on means zero to us.

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Andrea Pannes's avatar

Totally agree!

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PN Schwartz's avatar

imo, IOC does not feel or submit to any grassroots pressure from anyone. It's a willing participant in whatever fascist agenda is going on.

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Susan's avatar

Jennifer, keep up the great reporting. You are an important voice of sanity in an insane world. Thank you.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

Khalif has a defect which made him appear non male at birth. However he went through male puberty. He never grew breasts or had a period. He can’t. His male gonads are internal but as far as testosterone production he’s the same as all males. This was obvious.

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Scott Wayland's avatar

Yep. Gotta go with the genetic test.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

Well even more so he has testosterone levels of a male. Always did.

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LarryC's avatar

Exactly. If one of the female boxers was caught doping with testosterone (I.e. tested positive for testosterone supplementation) everyone would understand and agree that this is cheating. One of the reasons why men have about twice the punching power that women have.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

I’m a pediatrician and I have some knowledge about sexual development. I figured this out. But you didn’t need to be a physician to use your eyes and see he had male advantage.

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LarryC's avatar

I’m no doctor, but I’m a long time student of the sweet science. I’ve worked out at a few fighter’s gyms, with both men and women. Not that I didn’t know it before I started training, but the difference in both power and hand speed between men and women (on average) is fairly dramatic.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

Testosterone is a very powerful hormone. That’s why this bullshit of bio men in women’s sports is insane.

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Richard Parker's avatar

Sounds like undescended testicals.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

It’s part of a syndrome but he’s male

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

I watched that 45 second fight.

Overly obvious that he's a dude.

The IOC guy needs a proper definition?

Sorta like Ketanji...

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Scott Wayland's avatar

I feel so bad for the legit woman who lost out on the gold. That beta dude is a sorry excuse for a human being. I hope now, going forward, he can get HIS ass wooped by the men he should be fighting. Good luck, simp.

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Peter Sawchuk's avatar

A small man is physically stronger than a big female. That is a fact. I wonder how long it will be before someone is seriously injured for life or killed by one of these people? Boycott. Boycott. Boycott. Never comply and never submit to this perversion of life.

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Dianajc99's avatar

In other breaking news "Water is proved to be wet"

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Tracie P's avatar

It's the second time this year that we have had confirmation of something that everyone already knew to be true. I'm now waiting for the official ‘the earth is round’ news.

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

Thank you, Jennifer.

I bought one of your "Make Women's Sports XX Again" T-shirts, even though I have a zillion T-shirts, just to support you and to wear it at my gym. And guess what? I got an email today from an employee at the gym saying that some other employees were "upset" and "objected to" my T-shirt, so he asked me not to wear it anymore.

There were only 2 other people at the gym when I was there this morning -- a male trainer and the female owner of the gym. Guess who includes pronouns in all the employee listings?

This psychosis is off the charts. These people will stop at nothing in the furtherance of their delusion.

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Lola Coco Petrovski's avatar

We are indulging these mental cases.

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JSR's avatar

You should buy another to have on hand when someone tells you they love your shirt!

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

That's a good idea, JSR!

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John Baker's avatar

Sounds like you need to find a new gym, Lisa. Good for you to wear that T-shirt.

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

Well, the only reason I go to this gym is because of a targeted program for osteoporosis (which I have) called ONERO. It's weightlifting that progresses pretty rapidly from heavier to heavier. It was created by Dr. Belinda Beck in Australia, and is starting to gain traction around the world. Not many places in the US are offering it yet, but the physical therapist practice I go to is. This PT practice simply rents out space at this gym, doesn't own the gym and doesn't make the policies.

In fact, the trainer who leads the ONERO classes apologized to me and told me he agrees with me 100% but that he had to let me know about these complaints.

Can you imagine being so childish that if someone wears a T-shirt you don't like you would feel the need to go complain to the powers-that-be?? It's just amazing.

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Sandy's avatar

There are lots of places that offer Onero. I’m an Orthopaedic surgeon, and my practice offers it. Maybe the therapist can do your training at another center?

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

Sandy, not in Baltimore, where I live. For now, this is the only place that offers it. And I really like this trainer anyway. He’s great, and his practice (two other physical therapists) is great. I don’t care about the other idiots at the gym.

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Sandy's avatar

Good for you! Keep wearing your XX-XY gear with pride! (I was born, raised, and educated in Baltimore, so I get the culture you’re dealing with)

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John Baker's avatar

Agree - so amazing. On the other hand, it’s great that your PT is on top of cutting edge treatments.

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

I feel really lucky to have him and his practice here. He was not only recommended by my orthopedic doc (and in Baltimore we have several world-class medical institutions, not just Johns Hopkins), but he is, as you say, on top of the latest treatments.

I'm also pleased that my osteop doc is very enthusiastic about ONERO. She already knew about the program but didn't know it was being offered in Baltimore, and has since sent patients to him.

So if the gym is mired in silly, uninformed, woke bullshit, c'est la vie. I'm just grateful for these classes. The next nearest one is in New Jersey. But word is spreading. A PT in DC just contacted my instructor to learn more about the program. You have to get certified and licensed in order to teach it.

(If I sound like a zealous proselytizer, I am! Spread the word! 😊)

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John Baker's avatar

My daughter is doing PT after ankle replacement surgery sequelae to RA. I sent the info to her in case her PT’s would be interested. Thanks.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

I posted on FB a quote regarding this that the match was sanctioning a man beating a woman.

I lost several “friends” despite it being obvious that this man punched a woman harder than a woman could. He looks like a man.

But what started me most was the feeble-mindedness. “Her passport says female” means nothing. Calling me a transphobe doesn’t negate the fact that a male bodied person punched a female.

I brought in the chromosomes. One person claimed that being “sure” was not possible.

I was accused of being Christian and Conservative for saying men shouldn’t punch women.

These are the empathic people: Never Forget.

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Steve's avatar

I love it when they bring up the “KKK-Christo-fascist colonialist bigot” nonsense. I’m a goddamn gay liberal atheist.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

The urge to label people with terms that shouldn't even be offensive in the first place is particularly ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with being conservative or Christian or even....RIGHT WING!!!

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Lola Coco Petrovski's avatar

Me too. Losing friends over Im-a-man Khelif was just the beginning.

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B.'s avatar

Under Dog, you have way too many friends. If you lived like me, with just some few people I see irregularly, you wouldn't run up against so many examples of human witlessness.

As with tomcats (as, I think, you once observed), you can always tell a male by his neck. This Imane has one.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Yes, like you, in real life I have a few good friends.

I have one whom I have known for 30 years; I see her regularly; she is in this foolish category. Naturally I avoid discussing anything with her that requires some semblance of intellect.

The point of 'losing friends' on FB over something as obviously wrong as this, is just that. Putting a male-bodied person into a boxing ring with a woman is blatantly wrong. The same people who harp on sexual harassment and "patriarchy" are simultaneously fine with the ugly optics of a man punching a woman.

The average IQ of 100 actually isn't all that bright. It is not necessarily capable of comprehending nuance -- although XY chromosomal explanations ought to be enough for them.

My point is that people would actually delete someone for stating concern about this. People will refuse to associate with someone over -- their refusal to accept men punching women.

That to me is rather shocking, no matter how dimwitted a 100 IQ is. It can't be THAT DUMB. Can it?

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Sandy's avatar

Genes don’t lie. The bit about no chromosomal anomaly means he doesn’t have total androgen insensitivity, the only situation where XY is actually a female because the body has no receptors for testosterone. It doesn’t matter how much they have, it doesn’t do anything.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Ironically, there's nothing to agree to disagree about here. A man is a man. A woman is a woman. It's not OK for men to hit women.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

This man is not transgender. He 'was raised as a girl' due to an abnormality. Then he went through male puberty.

I tried explaining that to no avail.

So you refuse to remain friends with people who transed their kids? (maimed)?

I somehow, despite making my opinion known on this matter, remain connected to someone who did. I don't tell him directly how I feel. I suspect he KNOWS. It's his wife's Munchausen's that he couldn't combat, and now he's clearly deep in sunk cost fallacy.

I cannot even begin to imagine the pain of falling for that ruse, and PUBERTY BLOCKING MY SON so his penis never grew...

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Ronda Wells MD's avatar

We don’t need a “new definition of a woman!” We’ve had one for eons. People pandering to this madness that transvestite men are now “women” (if they declare themselves to be one) are no better than naked emperors who think they’re wearing new clothes!

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Mary Hartman's avatar

This insanity needs to stop. Men need to stop undermining women! And women need to stop justifying and excusing it!

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Ayn's avatar

Love the part where they blame "Russian disinformation."

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Steve's avatar

They’re still doubting the validity of the leaked medical report. I don’t think Khelif would’ve made this week’s boxing competition even if he’d submitted to sex testing again, there’s enough bureaucratic BS to keep the results of a test in limbo until it’s too late. So the real challenge for him will come when he goes to compete in the next competition overseen by the new boxing association. He won’t have any excuses then. I’m guessing he just quits and tries to go pro. Of course that probably won’t convince any of his supporters that he’s not a woman—they’re profoundly stupid people.

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Sandy's avatar

It’s a classic!

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Richard Parker's avatar

One day, one of these frauds will kill a woman. And people will be surprised, shocked, horrorified.

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Sandy's avatar

Yes, apparently permanent brain damage isn’t enough. Or rapes in Louden County VA schools and various women’s prisons.

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Claus Hergeshiemer's avatar

Funny thing is, I don’t care if he’s a man or not the one thing we’re absolutely fucking sure of is he’s not a woman and therefore he should not be competing with women …

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Christina Cer's avatar

“Russian disinformation” The amount of bullshit Russia gets blamed for is so ridiculous it’s literal insanity. That this man is indeed a man was obvious from the start and everyone who denied it supported a woman being abused for international entertainment.

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